Chat: ENGL 2111 (World Literature I) Winter 2005

Chat 13: Chaucer, Canterbury Tales

Chaucer, Canterbury Tales

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[19:53] <beta> ok so I wanted to make sure this worked from my non-Statesboro address

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[20:02] <DWROB> Well, is everybody glad to finally have some nice clear untranslated English to read?

[20:02] <aleph> yes

[20:02] <delta> yes

[20:02] <rho> oh yea

[20:02] <kappa> yeah

[20:03] <lambda> yes

[20:03] <phi> yes

[20:03] <DWROB> Then you must not have read the assigned on-line text

[20:03] <rho> read did, but we rather have the other

[20:03] <DWROB> Did anyone listen to the MP3 of the opening of the Prologue?

[20:03] <he> yeah

[20:03] <aleph> that was confusing

[20:03] <he> crazy

[20:03] <chet> i couldn't get it to work

[20:03] <rho> would not play

[20:03] <tau> i couldn't open it

[20:03] <DWROB> What does it sound like to you?

[20:04] <he> I've heard it before

[20:04] <delta> too confusing

[20:04] <DWROB> It should work; it's a plain old MP3

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[20:04] <chi> not yet

[20:04] <he> I could only figure out like every 5th word

[20:04] <aleph> someone with marbles in their mouth

[20:04] <DWROB> heh

[20:04] <chi> but my friend had it mesmerized and said it to me

[20:04] <chi> it sound terrible

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[20:04] <DWROB> I too have it memorized

[20:04] <DWROB> What kind of English is this?

[20:04] <iota> ya i couldn't understand hardly any of it

[20:05] <kappa> old

[20:05] <bet> old

[20:05] <he> middle english

[20:05] <chet> old??

[20:05] <DWROB> which one?

[20:05] <gamma> not good english

[20:05] <epsilon> very old

[20:05] <iota> old

[20:05] <aleph> old

[20:05] <delta> middle english

[20:05] <chi> hoity twoity

[20:05] <chi> old

[20:05] <bet> late 1400s

[20:05] <psi> middle english

[20:05] <rho> middle english

[20:05] <tau> old english

[20:05] <lambda> old english

[20:05] <psi> like 1360s

[20:05] <phi> England english

[20:05] <DWROB> Old english is not just "old"

[20:05] <DWROB> It's German

[20:05] <bet> like 1380s

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[20:05] <DWROB> This is Middle English

[20:05] <epsilon> middle english

[20:05] <he> yes

[20:05] <psi> yea

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[20:05] <he> sweet

[20:06] <DWROB> Old english is what the Anglo-Saxons spoke until 1066, when who showed up?

[20:06] <rho> Romans?

[20:06] <he> caths.

[20:06] <he> ?

[20:06] <KENNY> William the Conqueror

[20:06] <DWROB> not quite -- a bit late for that

[20:06] <pi> the vikings

[20:06] <DWROB> William of Normandy, thank you

[20:06] <sigma> Romans

[20:06] <rho> Huns

[20:06] <chi> me

[20:06] <DWROB> speaking French

[20:06] <pi> ohhh good ole Will of Norm huh?

[20:06] <DWROB> Middle English is a mush of German and French

[20:07] <DWROB> It isn't all that different form modern English

[20:07] <he> ah ha

[20:07] <DWROB> But it sounds a lot different

[20:07] <gamma> it sounds like crap to me

[20:07] <kappa> interesting, didn't know that

[20:07] <dalet> it's better when read aloud

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[20:07] <DWROB> It's a lot more musical than modern English!

[20:07] <chi> nothing of ours is original

[20:07] <sigma> it's still confusing because it doesn't seem to flow

[20:07] <psi> i think is sucks

[20:07] <psi> too confusing

[20:07] <bet> probably better with an accent

[20:07] <zayin> to many extra syllables

[20:07] <DWROB> So what kind of English is Shakespeare writing in?

[20:07] <iota> its easier to understand that way

[20:08] <chi> you can understand it if you say it out loud

[20:08] <he> proper

[20:08] <theta> Elizabethan

[20:08] <gamma> traditional

[20:08] <DWROB> hahah

[20:08] <chi> couplets

[20:08] <DWROB> MODERN, meaning after about 1450

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[20:08] <DWROB> so Old doesn't mean old and Modern doesn't mean modern

[20:08] <DWROB> for the record

[20:08] <he> so what is Ebonics

[20:08] <chi> great

[20:09] <dalet> modern english?

[20:09] <DWROB> a fancy name for a "sociolect", but that's another story

[20:09] <he> never mind that

[20:09] <lambda> what are we speaking then

[20:09] <chet> American english

[20:09] <DWROB> we are still speaking Modern english

[20:09] <chet> oops

[20:09] <sigma> modern

[20:09] <psi> modern english

[20:09] <lambda> ah

[20:09] <DWROB> The language stabilized after the invention of movable type (printing)

[20:09] <epsilon> anything after 1450 , modern

[20:09] <zayin> just a little more simplified

[20:09] <he> would your called Americanized?

[20:09] <gamma> thank god

[20:10] <sigma> soon to be Spanish

[20:10] <DWROB> American English has diverged some but not a huge amount

[20:10] <dalet> not really

[20:10] <kappa> makes sense, being able to better print it should make it more stable

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[20:10] <DWROB> In German they differentiate when translating form the English" vs "th American", which surprised me

[20:10] <sigma> oops-Spanish

[20:10] <DWROB> OK, about Chaucer ...

[20:11] <dalet> what do u mean by differentiate

[20:11] <DWROB> the distinguish between them

[20:11] <pi> do you have the audio link posted somewhere else other then the text page? it wont open

[20:11] <DWROB> as though they were separate languages

[20:11] <sigma> find a difference

[20:11] <DWROB> hold on

[20:11] <DWROB> I see what you mean -- bad link

[20:11] <rho> adjectives come after the noun in German

[20:11] <DWROB> one moment

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[20:12] <sigma> why are we talking about German?

[20:12] <DWROB> we aren't

[20:12] <DWROB> I will fix the link afterwards -- sorry about that

[20:13] <DWROB> OK, this is a framed tale, so lets look a the frame.

[20:13] <vav> Sorry I'm late. I was having MAJOR computer trouble. It kept kicking me off before I could get to this page.

[20:13] <pi> ill forgive you this time, but don't let it happen again

[20:13] <chi> it's ok

[20:13] <DWROB> Where are these travelers going?

[20:13] <psi> to Canterbury

[20:13] <bet> aberrant

[20:13] <tau> to Canterbury

[20:13] <aleph> Canterbury

[20:13] <DWROB> why?

[20:13] <mu> Canterbury

[20:13] <pi> the cathedral

[20:13] <zayin> to Canterbury

[20:13] <beta> to a shrine

[20:13] <tau> to see the relic of a saint

[20:13] <chet> to see some shrine

[20:13] <aleph> to visit some Saint

[20:13] <kappa> Canterbury

[20:13] <psi> to thank the saint for helping them when times was hard

[20:13] <pi> to pay homage to saint whats his name

[20:13] <mu> to speak with st

[20:13] <he> they seek the shrine

[20:13] <chi> to some saint thing

[20:13] <lambda> visit a shrine

[20:13] <beta> st. Thomas

[20:13] <epsilon> Canterbury

[20:13] <rho> to the shrine

[20:13] <DWROB> what kind of journey is this?

[20:13] <vav> To search for a martyr's grave

[20:13] <zayin> to be blessed by a saint

[20:13] <iota> Canterbury

[20:13] <mu> pilgrimage

[20:13] <lambda> pilgrimage

[20:13] <tau> pilgrimage

[20:13] <aleph> pilgrimage

[20:13] <bet> pilgrimage

[20:13] <pi> a pilgrimage

[20:13] <psi> at religious journey

[20:13] <vav> pilgrimage

[20:13] <DWROB> exactly

[20:13] <delta> pilgrimage

[20:13] <beta> pilgrimage

[20:13] <phi> cantered

[20:13] <gamma> to Canterbury

[20:13] <dalet> cathedral of someone's shrine

[20:13] <psi> pilgrimage

[20:14] <kappa> pilgrimage

[20:14] <pi> we've got it

[20:14] <phi> pilgrimage

[20:14] <psi> there going to thank the Saint

[20:14] <dalet> i mean a saint

[20:14] <epsilon> pilgrimage

[20:14] <vav> That someone is Sir Thomas a' Becket

[20:14] <chi> pilgrimage

[20:14] <DWROB> And the setup is that they all meet by accident in a tavern, and the tavern owner (the Host) joins them on the trip

[20:14] <dalet> thanks vav

[20:14] <beta> exactly

[20:14] <DWROB> The prologue gives a description of each pilgrim

[20:14] <rho> true

[20:14] <pi> we did we concentrate on the Pardoner

[20:14] <vav> He was killed, I think, because he disagreed with divorce. Is that right, Dr. Rob?

[20:14] <DWROB> Let's look what it says about the Pardoner ...

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[20:14] <chi> they each will tell 2 stories there and 2 back as a contest

[20:15] <dalet> please in modern english

[20:15] <vav> But Chaucer never finished it

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[20:15] <DWROB> 675: This pardoner hadde heer as yelow as wex,

[20:15] <DWROB> 676: But smothe it heeng as dooth a strike of flex;

[20:15] <DWROB> 677: By ounces henge his lokkes that he hadde,

[20:15] <DWROB> 678: And therwith he his shuldres overspradde;

[20:15] <DWROB> 679: But thynne it lay, by colpons oon and oon.

[20:15] <DWROB> 680: But hood, for jolitee, wered he noon,

[20:15] <DWROB> 681: For it was trussed up in his walet.

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[20:15] <DWROB> paraphrase?

[20:15] <tau> he had yellow hair

[20:15] <aleph> he had blonde hair

[20:15] <rho> yellow hair

[20:15] <he> smooth and striking

[20:15] <DWROB> Why does his blonde hair warrant so much description?

[20:15] <delta> yellow curly hair

[20:15] <pi> he was blonde with fancy hair and his wallet was chillin in his lap and it was fat with indulgences he collected

[20:16] <aleph> maybe it wasn't common

[20:16] <bet> it was bright

[20:16] <mu> different

[20:16] <epsilon> yellow hair

[20:16] <gamma> yellow hair, broad shoulders, big ol' guy

[20:16] <DWROB> pi: yes

[20:16] <omega> blond hair.. and great clothing that took notice to all

[20:16] <bet> sounds attractive

[20:16] <pi> i think it suggests hes a fancy con man

[20:16] <dalet> nice for European features

[20:16] <chi> he was vain about his hair and didn't cover it

[20:16] <sigma> makes him unique

[20:16] <phi> yellow

[20:16] <DWROB> he's vain, yes

[20:16] <he> most people had dark hair

[20:16] <vav> Fair-headed people often people select as leaders. Look at Lord of the Flies.

[20:16] <DWROB> he doesn't wear his riding hood

[20:16] <bet> $ in the wallet

[20:16] <DWROB> or cap

[20:16] <omicron> he took care of himself and was maybe well off

[20:16] <vav> Yes, vain and GREEDY.

[20:16] <pi> he has to show off that bitchin hair

[20:16] <beta> very greedy

[20:16] <delta> fancy preacher who sang for $

[20:16] <zayin> a description of the pardoner

[20:16] <psi> very very greedy

[20:16] <sigma> he is full of deceit and he is a hypocrite

[20:16] <DWROB> con men are often pretty boys too -- he is quite vain

[20:17] <psi> he is very sly

[20:17] <aleph> that's how they are able to charm people

[20:17] <beta> he preached about greed, but acted the same way

[20:17] <dalet> he was a modern-day rev. Ike

[20:17] <epsilon> deceitful and greedy

[20:17] <rho> trickery

[20:17] <aleph> he admitted he was greedy

[20:17] <DWROB> Heh, I *love* Rev. Ike

[20:17] <vav> Fair looks make it easier for him to cheat people.

[20:17] <beta> televangelist type

[20:17] <zayin> he used all that money he took to make himself pretty

[20:17] <chet> a straight up liar for the most part ... unless he was bragging

[20:17] <DWROB> yes, the hair is *so* important

[20:17] <pi> his story was surprising because it suggests that greed leads to death, yet he is very greedy and money obsessed himself

[20:17] <bet> use car salesman

[20:17] <DWROB> heehee..

[20:17] <DWROB>

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[20:17] <vav> Like in Rape of the Lock?

[20:17] <DWROB> 688: A voys he hadde as smal as hath a goot.

[20:17] <DWROB> 689: No berd hadde he, ne nevere sholde have;

[20:18] <DWROB> 690: As smothe it was as it were late shave.

[20:18] <DWROB> 691: I trowe he were a geldyng or a mare.

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[20:18] <DWROB> what about this?

[20:18] <he> clean shaven

[20:18] <chi> he used the story to dupe people

[20:18] <omicron> he was clean shaven

[20:18] <vav> Does that have anything to do with the reference to Sampson ... the hair thing?

[20:18] <aleph> he appeared boyish

[20:18] <pi> he didn't have a beard and never would his a pretty boy

[20:18] <rho> clean cut

[20:18] <beta> pretty boy type

[20:18] <DWROB> ain't no shavin' here

[20:18] <he> he looked young

[20:18] <epsilon> clean shaven

[20:18] <delta> he still looked good looks are important

[20:18] <bet> maybe like a 5 o'clock shadow

[20:18] <chet> couldn't grow facial hair

[20:18] <gamma> he was smooth looking

[20:18] <DWROB> no, nothing

[20:18] <he> he never never had a beard

[20:18] <rho> female hormones

[20:18] <omicron> he is saying that he comes off as attractive

[20:18] <chi> boyish good looks

[20:18] <dalet> Metro Sexual

[20:18] <zayin> he was young and could not grow a beard

[20:18] <he> ha

[20:18] <omicron> and persuasive

[20:18] <DWROB> hmmmm

[20:18] <vav> eunuch maybe ... . just kidding

[20:18] <sigma> took pride and time in the way that he wanted to look

[20:19] <DWROB> What is the narrator's assessment?

[20:19] <pi> there is irony in the fact that a Pardoner would be so vain, Chaucer was probably making a statement about the Catholic church and it's indulgences

[20:19] <epsilon> suave

[20:19] <omega> a liar

[20:19] <DWROB> vav: no, that's right

[20:19] <omicron> people like that seem to be persuasive

[20:19] <chi> eunuch, ha

[20:19] <zayin> that he would never grow a beard

[20:19] <pi> was this written before or after they got rid of those?

[20:19] <aleph> there's something different about him

[20:19] <bet> smoothe all around

[20:19] <omega> he was

[20:19] <dalet> i guess Chaucer was saying the church was a con

[20:19] <beta> rico suave

[20:19] <DWROB> I trowe he were a geldyng or a mare.

[20:19] <DWROB> means what?

[20:19] <rho> smart

[20:19] <chet> looked like a horse

[20:19] <zayin> young?

[20:19] <lambda> young looking

[20:19] <bet> something about a horse

[20:19] <gamma> he was a stallion

[20:19] <aleph> could be a boy or girl?

[20:19] <DWROB> mare==?

[20:19] <delta> a fine young man

[20:19] <omicron> young

[20:19] <he> young

[20:19] <chi> he was not a total man

[20:19] <DWROB> gelding==?

[20:20] <bet> house

[20:20] <beta> woman-ish

[20:20] <chet> female horse

[20:20] <DWROB> yes

[20:20] <omicron> young horse

[20:20] <lambda> effeminate

[20:20] <kappa> nice upbringing

[20:20] <bet> young horse

[20:20] <DWROB> effeminate

[20:20] <epsilon> young

[20:20] <chi> geldings are stallions with no balls

[20:20] <sigma> people in general, just liked to believe that he stood for what he preached because he looked so good, that he had to be good

[20:20] <vav> effeminate

[20:20] <delta> ooh female horse

[20:20] <beta> yeah- that word

[20:20] <vav> That's funny.

[20:20] <DWROB> this is an elaborate slur on him -- he is a eunuch, or just a homosexual

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[20:20] <zayin> his hormones were a bit off balance

[20:20] <sigma> if he had been ugly, then it would have been a lot more likely that people would want to doubt him

[20:20] <DWROB> The point is that he is self-evidently corrupt

[20:20] <aleph> did they really care about those things back then?

[20:20] <chi> geldings are still male, mares are females

[20:20] <beta> no or little testosterone

[20:20] <vav> Is that why it says in there something like "I wish I w=had his balls in my hands."

[20:20] <dalet> how the h ll did u know that chi?

[20:20] <psi> yes he is corrupt

[20:20] <DWROB> They had the concept of "sodomites"

[20:21] <DWROB> which was a sin

[20:21] <pi> the Host tells him hes gonna cut off his balls, which suggests hes not a eunuch, at least not yet

[20:21] <he> still is

[20:21] <vav> Of course, like these geldings, eunuchs had a similar operation

[20:21] <DWROB> pi: right

[20:21] <DWROB> OK ...

[20:21] <sigma> he is even open about what he does. He drinks in public surrounded by many people after preaching about the sin of drinking

[20:21] <DWROB>

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[20:21] <DWROB> 692: But of his craft, fro berwyk into ware,

[20:21] <DWROB> 693: Ne was ther swich another pardoner

[20:21] <DWROB> 694: For in his male he hadde a pilwe-beer,

[20:21] <DWROB> 695: Which that he seyde was oure lady veyl:

[20:21] <DWROB> 696: He seyde he hadde a gobet of the seyl

[20:21] <chi> oh it probably hit home when the host threatened to make his manhood a relic

[20:21] <DWROB> 697: That seint peter hadde, whan that he wente

[20:21] <DWROB> 698: Upon the see, til jhesu crist hym hente.

[20:21] <DWROB> 699: He hadde a croys of latoun ful of stones,

[20:21] <DWROB> 700: And in a glas he hadde pigges bones.

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[20:22] <DWROB> he has some props

[20:22] <pi> its talking about all the holy relics he had

[20:22] <vav> Yes, the relics.

[20:22] <aleph> he made money making people think these things could help them

[20:22] <zayin> props to help con people

[20:22] <DWROB> they are supposed to be relics, but what are they?

[20:22] <chi> a bunch of crap

[20:22] <chet> the supposed relics

[20:22] <vav> The ones he admits do not work.

[20:22] <he> were they real or was he just using them to con the people?

[20:22] <zayin> old bones and stuff

[20:22] <rho> make money

[20:22] <bet> just stuff

[20:22] <DWROB> they are fake

[20:22] <sigma> He preached about not indulging in sex, then openly makes jokes about sex.

[20:22] <DWROB> heh

[20:22] <chi> trash

[20:22] <gamma> he was just a big phony

[20:22] <kappa> old bones of no use

[20:22] <vav> Yes, xxxx.

[20:23] <epsilon> props for conning

[20:23] <DWROB> he has a pillow case he claims is Mary's veil

[20:23] <pi> hes a con man using indulgences to make money

[20:23] <beta> icons

[20:23] <he> tell the people what they want to hear

[20:23] <DWROB> He has pigs's bines he says are saints' bones

[20:23] <beta> or idols

[20:23] <zayin> and he admits this to his audience

[20:23] <epsilon> deceit

[20:23] <vav> Selling relics was a popular practice at the time which is why Chaucer's work was such a sardonic commentary on medieval life.

[20:23] <psi> deceit

[20:23] <zayin> so they know he is a liar

[20:23] <sigma> he had the authority to judge what people he thought were good enough to receive money, when he was not good himself.

[20:23] <chi> then he tries to con them

[20:24] <DWROB> here is his method, as he narrates it ... .

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[20:24] <DWROB> 347: Thanne shewe I forth my longe cristal stones,

[20:24] <DWROB> 348: Ycrammed ful of cloutes and of bones, --

[20:24] <psi> that's how he made money

[20:24] <DWROB> 349: Relikes been they, as wenen they echoon.

[20:24] <vav> He satirizes things that were wrong about the time .

[20:24] <DWROB> 350: Thanne have I in latoun a sholder-boon

[20:24] <DWROB> 351: Which that was of an hooly jewes sheep.

[20:24] <DWROB> 352: Goode men, I seye, taak of my wordes keep;

[20:24] <DWROB> 353: If that this boon be wasshe in any welle,

[20:24] <DWROB> 354: If cow, or calf, or sheep, or oxe swelle

[20:24] <DWROB> 355: That any worm hath ete, or worm ystonge,

[20:24] <DWROB> 356: Taak water of that welle and wassh his tonge,

[20:24] <DWROB> 357: And it is hool anon; and forthermoore,

[20:24] <DWROB> 358: Of pokkes and of scabbe, and every soore

[20:24] <DWROB> 359: Shal every sheep be hool that of this welle

[20:24] <DWROB> 360: Drynketh a draughte. Taak kep eek what I telle --

[20:24] <DWROB> 361: If that the good-man that the beestes oweth

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[20:24] <sigma> A lot of good people were deprived of well-needed money and such while he held this job I bet.

[20:24] <DWROB> 362: Wol every wyke, er that the cok hym croweth,

[20:24] <DWROB> 363: Fastynge, drynken of this welle a draughte,

[20:24] <DWROB> 364: As thilke hooly jew oure eldres taughte,

[20:24] <DWROB> 365: His beestes and his stoor shal multiplie.

[20:24] <DWROB> 366: and, sires, also it heeleth jalousie;

[20:24] <psi> and he was good at it

[20:24] <DWROB> 367: For though a man be falle in jalous rage,

[20:24] <DWROB> 368: Lat maken with this water his potage,

[20:25] <DWROB> 369: And nevere shal he moore his wyf mystriste,

[20:25] <DWROB> 370: Though he the soothe of hir defaute wiste,

[20:25] <DWROB> 371: Al had she taken prestes two or thre.

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[20:25] <vav> He says his relics heal people, make your crops multiply as well as your beasts

[20:25] <DWROB> this particular bone will make a potion that heals everything.

[20:25] <DWROB> Just add water

[20:25] <DWROB> yes

[20:25] <beta> healing powers

[20:25] <DWROB> I especially like the last, how it heals jealousy

[20:25] <DWROB> how does it do that?

[20:25] <bet> magic

[20:25] <psi> he said he had powers

[20:25] <rho> used the peoples faith to make money

[20:25] <kappa> Very magical stuff

[20:25] <aleph> the power of belief

[20:25] <epsilon> this is about healing people

[20:25] <pi> the healing power of Christ

[20:25] <DWROB> read the text

[20:25] <lambda> believing

[20:25] <omicron> it was in their heads

[20:25] <pi> as long as you pay for it

[20:25] <vav> You have to drink it after it has been stewed.

[20:26] <psi> money was evil

[20:26] <DWROB> how does it heal jealousy?

[20:26] <sigma> remission of sins

[20:26] <beta> ah, yes everything comes with a price

[20:26] <kappa> He has been giving powers by highly ranked religious officials

[20:26] <epsilon> all he is is greedy, nothing will stand in you way when your greedy

[20:26] <gamma> he knew people would believe if they wanted tings bad enough

[20:26] <epsilon> the best lies come from cons

[20:26] <DWROB> quit saying random stuff and give me an answer!

[20:26] <vav> drinking a stew the relic soaked in

[20:26] <rho> it reminds me of the people that would come to town and promise they could make it rain for money

[20:26] <chi> something about revenge

[20:26] <delta> by killing u

[20:26] <he> mix the bones with water

[20:26] <vav> Read xxxx

[20:26] <zayin> you have to buy several

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[20:26] <aleph> after drinking the potion you won't care what your wife does

[20:27] <he> to make a potion

[20:27] <DWROB> aleph: right

[20:27] <he> and after drinking it you will not

[20:27] <he> never mind

[20:27] <DWROB> Clearly this is being advertised to the wives, not the husbands

[20:27] <bet> you wont care about much

[20:27] <omicron> does it make you drunk

[20:27] <DWROB> And it is so good that it will work even if he catches the wife with several priests

[20:27] <pi> wives will buy it for their husbands so they can sleep around

[20:27] <DWROB> pretty nifty

[20:27] <vav> The concept of feminine purity.

[20:27] <he> no it is phony

[20:27] <DWROB> good

[20:27] <chet> funny

[20:27] <bet> hes crafty

[20:27] <psi> that's funny

[20:27] <beta> so the cheating wife is supposed to buy it and make it for her husband

[20:27] <delta> they said somewhere the wives had up to 5 husbands

[20:28] <kappa> very interesting, an early advertising genius

[20:28] <vav> Priests ... . that's funny.

[20:28] <delta> this would come in hand

[20:28] <he> or vice versa

[20:28] <chi> he is promoting sin

[20:28] <epsilon> sly

[20:28] <delta> y

[20:28] <rho> his an old medicine man from the old west

[20:28] <zayin> bad wives

[20:28] <beta> he marketed it to the right people

[20:28] <DWROB> After showing his relics, he invites people to donate to him or to buy them

[20:28] <DWROB> but watch this ... .

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[20:28] <DWROB> 377: goode men and wommen, o thyng warne I yow --

[20:28] <DWROB> 378: If any wight be in this chirche now

[20:28] <DWROB> 379: That hath doon synne horrible, that he

[20:28] <DWROB> 380: Dar nat, for shame, of it yshryven be,

[20:28] <DWROB> 381: Or any womman, be she yong or old,

[20:28] <DWROB> 382: That hath ymaad hir housbonde cokewold,

[20:28] <DWROB> 383: Swich folk shal have no power ne no grace

[20:28] <DWROB> 384: To offren to my relikes in this place.

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[20:28] <DWROB> Not everyoneis allowed to buy them ...

[20:29] <vav> So it's like the emperor's new clothes

[20:29] <he> horrible thing will happen if your not a believer

[20:29] <DWROB> give me a paraphrase

[20:29] <DWROB> well, look exactly at what he says

[20:29] <beta> what is cokewold?

[20:29] <vav> If you've sinned horribly, the relics won't work.

[20:29] <omicron> only the less-sinners can get it

[20:29] <delta> you are supposed to be able to offer something to the relics

[20:29] <aleph> if you have done something really horrible, these won't work

[20:29] <epsilon> not everyone can have one if sin has been committed

[20:29] <sigma> he makes himself feel better by awarding people like him money and labeling them "good" just like himself, when really he is the one who should be in remission for his sins

[20:29] <DWROB> cuckold means the victim of the wife's infidelity

[20:29] <bet> if your bad you cant buy what he has

[20:29] <vav> A cuckold is somebody who's p*ssy-whipped

[20:29] <zayin> if you have a sin on your heart you can not buy these things

[20:29] <beta> if you have confessed to a horrible sin, you are not "worthy" of the relics

[20:29] <vav> Sorry couldn't think of a synonym.

[20:29] <DWROB> bet: right -- do you get the joke?

[20:30] <chi> i don't get this language

[20:30] <dalet> con artist that was a con also

[20:30] <pi> so the guy that cheats with the women?

[20:30] <bet> yes hes trying to sell it to the bad

[20:30] <DWROB> He tells everyone that they can't buy his relics if they have some terrible secret sin ...

[20:30] <kappa> can't buy it if you would try to use it as he explains

[20:30] <vav> Everybody will buy it because they don't want others to know they're bad.

[20:30] <sigma> The pardoner is the worst one of them all because he is a hypocrite

[20:30] <vav> Like in the Emperor'sd New Clothes

[20:30] <iota> yet he is a sinner as well

[20:30] <DWROB> and they aren't too bright, so they all think if they don't buy, they'll be admitting they've sinned

[20:30] <gamma> they were all idiots

[20:30] <aleph> so to show they do not have any secret sins, they must buy to show everyone

[20:30] <chi> only the bad want to buy but he makes it ok for them to buy by saying only the good can buy

[20:31] <DWROB> It's a sales ploy

[20:31] <pi> hes trying to make people think that if they don't buy from him then they are admitting to having some terrible secret sin

[20:31] <vav> As unashamed hypocrite

[20:31] <zayin> good trick

[20:31] <bet> so everyone buys

[20:31] <delta> so he gets rich

[20:31] <iota> everyone is trying to look better than everyone else but everyone is sinning

[20:31] <lambda> only the bad wont buy

[20:31] <rho> this guy is smart

[20:31] <he> the CATCH

[20:31] <DWROB> he is doing all right

[20:31] <aleph> to bad that sales trick doesn't work today

[20:31] <vav> Yes.

[20:31] <DWROB> Well, then, is he a good preacher?

[20:31] <epsilon> he's a good con

[20:31] <bet> no

[20:31] <sigma> no

[20:31] <dalet> good salesman

[20:31] <omicron> no

[20:31] <vav> People want to appear pious.

[20:31] <zayin> no way

[20:31] <delta> no

[20:31] <beta> great salesman

[20:31] <pi> hes a con man

[20:31] <he> good salesman yes

[20:31] <rho> no

[20:31] <bet> hes a good sales man

[20:31] <DWROB> No?! Why not?

[20:31] <DWROB> What's wrong with his sermon?

[20:31] <epsilon> no a good sales men

[20:31] <dalet> works all the time today

[20:31] <DWROB> On greed

[20:31] <iota> bad man

[20:31] <he> he isn't a believer himself

[20:31] <vav> Depends. He does says he can make others repent.

[20:31] <lambda> he is great; people buy into it

[20:32] <kappa> yes but he ain't preaching the bible

[20:32] <rho> well maybe, Jim baker did

[20:32] <bet> preachers are trying to sell ideas

[20:32] <aleph> he's a good preacher of looking after himself

[20:32] <phi> no

[20:32] <zayin> he is not preaching for God he is preaching for himself

[20:32] <omicron> he preaches against things and then turns around and does them

[20:32] <beta> he is a hypocrite - that's what is wrong with his sermon

[20:32] <sigma> he thinks that he is, but he will have to pay the ultimate fine once he dies

[20:32] <he> he preaches lies

[20:32] <delta> he gets his message across its just not morally right!!!

[20:32] <iota> he lies and tries to make himself look like he is doing good

[20:32] <vav> He does the things he preaches against.

[20:32] <chi> he is leading people to hell

[20:32] <gamma> he is speaking for personal benefit not a greater good

[20:32] <DWROB> No, he preaches truth, while being himself a hypocrite

[20:32] <he> ah

[20:32] <DWROB> the story he deals is perfectly conventional and orthodox

[20:32] <aleph> but he is honest about what he is doing

[20:32] <phi> hypocritical

[20:32] <sigma> he doesn't preach lies, he just doesn't allow himself to be the example of what not to do

[20:32] <chi> he is teaching the wrong message which Jesus said will get you a great seat in hell

[20:32] <vav> For example, after saying that you shouldn't swear, he says, for Christ's sake, you shouldn't take the Lord's name in vain.

[20:32] <pi> his story shows the folly of greed yet he is the most greedy of all of them

[20:32] <DWROB> yes, he is honest to the company of pilgrims -- odd

[20:32] <zayin> he may preach the good but he is not being truthful with the relics

[20:32] <aleph> he is telling people that he is only out for his own good

[20:33] <DWROB> Why is he so open with them?

[20:33] <zayin> but then he tries to trick the pilgrims

[20:33] <dalet> like the preacher who always preached about infidelity then was caught w/a prostitute

[20:33] <he> how can you be honest to others but not to yourself

[20:33] <chet> to giant heir trust

[20:33] <epsilon> ya he is a good preacher its just hard to look at it that way when he is such a hypocrite

[20:33] <he> odd indeed

[20:33] <vav> Maybe drunk ... but all are honest like that.

[20:33] <delta> gaining their trust and faith

[20:33] <bet> everyone needs to be truthful sometimes

[20:33] <aleph> he wants to travel with them - not make enemies

[20:33] <beta> part of his scheme

[20:33] <chet> f

[20:33] <omicron> so they will trust him

[20:33] <chi> to make his story better

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[20:33] <sigma> he is not honest about his actions during his sermons

[20:33] <DWROB> vav: good, he refuses to tell a tale until he has drunk

[20:33] <omicron> and believe what he says

[20:33] <DWROB> And by the way, he displays every one of the Seven Deadly Sins

[20:33] <epsilon> to make them feel like they can trust him

[20:33] <DWROB> which are??

[20:33] <aleph> greed,

[20:34] <sigma> and he doesn't have to pay for his remissions of sins, and that is not fair

[20:34] <sigma> that is the ultimate denial

[20:34] <bet> gluttony

[20:34] <aleph> sloth

[20:34] <zayin> gluttony

[20:34] <DWROB> sloth

[20:34] <vav> Although he says that drunkenness is a sin

[20:34] <he> blasphemy

[20:34] <dalet> i agree on the drunk part

[20:34] <bet> drunkenness

[20:34] <kappa> avarice

[20:34] <bet> blasphemy

[20:34] <DWROB> drunkenness is under gluttony

[20:34] <vav> Yes.

[20:34] <delta> lust

[20:34] <epsilon> gluttony

[20:34] <epsilon> sloth

[20:34] <dalet> envy

[20:34] <sigma> jealousy

[20:34] <rho> jealousy

[20:34] <epsilon> lust

[20:34] <chi> sloth, lust, gluttony, pride, avarice

[20:34] <he> lust

[20:34] <DWROB> don't forget the worst one ... .

[20:34] <beta> infidelity

[20:34] <DWROB> PRIDE

[20:34] <pi> greed gluttony sloth lust rage envy blasphemy

[20:34] <DWROB> good

[20:34] <phi> gluttony

[20:34] <sigma> adultery

[20:34] <dalet> yes, pride

[20:34] <gamma> once again we see problems with pride

[20:34] <pi> pride not blasphemy

[20:34] <vav> sinful pride ... Satan's flaw

[20:34] <DWROB> He shows them all

[20:34] <epsilon> jealousy

[20:34] <vav> original sin

[20:34] <chi> vanity

[20:34] <DWROB> But he preaches a great allegorical sermon on greed

[20:34] <vav> His example of Adam and Eve

[20:35] <omega> yes

[20:35] <pi> how does he show sloth?

[20:35] <delta> yep

[20:35] <dalet> pride comes before a fall

[20:35] <epsilon> pride..ya

[20:35] <beta> that was a great sermon

[20:35] <DWROB> How does this allegory work? Is it similar to Dante?

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[20:35] <aleph> small grouping of writing - like little journeys

[20:35] <vav> He gives examples of people who have fallen due to these various sins.

[20:35] <DWROB> yes ...

[20:35] <dalet> sort of uses parables like Jesus

[20:36] <vav> Like Sampson with drunkenness.

[20:36] <DWROB> but the main story -- is it an allegory?

[20:36] <lambda> the little groupings are like th different circles with the different people in hell

[20:36] <vav> The main story. Yes.

[20:36] <epsilon> yes

[20:36] <delta> uses parables like Dante uses cantos

[20:36] <psi> yes

[20:36] <DWROB> Are there any obvious symbolic figures in it?

[20:36] <vav> Oh not the stuff before.

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[20:36] <vav> Yes, Death.

[20:36] <delta> Jesus Christ

[20:36] <mu> yes

[20:36] <phi> yes

[20:36] <DWROB> Death -- aha -- and what does Death stand for?

[20:36] <vav> The three boys (sinners)

[20:36] <dalet> the one on Death was very good

[20:36] <gamma> yes

[20:36] <eta> ok

[20:37] <bet> death leads to the downfall of the three guys

[20:37] <DWROB> [trick question]

[20:37] <beta> death stands for greed

[20:37] <pi> no greed leads to their downfall

[20:37] <vav> It is the ultimate price paid for their greed.

[20:37] <dalet> the wages of sin

[20:37] <bet> all the sins=death

[20:37] <mu> they look for it and all eventually finds it

[20:37] <rho> they search for death---and find it

[20:37] <omega> death and Christ

[20:37] <DWROB> no, Death stands for death -- easy

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[20:37] <omega> the host

[20:37] <iota> bad things

[20:37] <DWROB> This is a really easy allegory

[20:37] <gamma> sounds simple

[20:37] <psi> death

[20:37] <psi> bad things

[20:37] <DWROB> which is part of the joke ...

[20:37] <dalet> ok. going too deep

[20:37] <iota> greed for money in this story

[20:37] <epsilon> nothing

[20:37] <aleph> but death wound up in the form of treasure

[20:37] <DWROB> These moronic rioter decide to go slay death ...

[20:38] <vav> Yes, death is personified.

[20:38] <he> preaches against greed but only wants their money

[20:38] <pi> they go out looking to avenge their friends death and end up killin g each other

[20:38] <DWROB> But the don't realize that that is a bad plan

[20:38] <zayin> the men went looking for death and they found gold which led to all of their deaths

[20:38] <pi> irony

[20:38] <vav> Paradoxical

[20:38] <bet> oh yea

[20:38] <epsilon> but its nothing

[20:38] <beta> and they end up slayed

[20:38] <DWROB> They don't seem to know that they are in an allegory!

[20:38] <beta> ironic, yes

[20:38] <aleph> you can't kill death

[20:38] <bet> they look for death and find it

[20:38] <dalet> I like the way the man introduced the gold as Death

[20:38] <psi> death got them

[20:38] <DWROB> This is kind of a joke for the audience

[20:38] <beta> but they thought death was a person

[20:38] <psi> they found him and lost

[20:38] <DWROB> right

[20:38] <vav> Maybe he thought like Donne: "Death, thou shalt die!"

[20:38] <DWROB> they are not very bright

[20:38] <vav> kidding

[20:38] <DWROB> and they are very drunk

[20:38] <beta> bright

[20:38] <vav> No, they are not

[20:38] <psi> not the smartest people

[20:38] <kappa> adds a bit of humor

[20:38] <pi> as am I

[20:39] <omega> oh

[20:39] <DWROB> drunk?

[20:39] <psi> but they did find gold

[20:39] <pi> kidding

[20:39] <mu> seem like it

[20:39] <omega> I did not think they were

[20:39] <vav> I was agreeing with your opinion of their intelligence

[20:39] <rho> drinking poison

[20:39] <beta> didn't get to enjoy it though

[20:39] <vav> Yes, they are drunk

[20:39] <DWROB> The man who died was a friend of theirs, and also drunk . . .

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[20:39] <sigma> no treasure for them at all

[20:39] <psi> well they were sitting around drinking when they decided to go get death

[20:39] <DWROB> 668: What cors is this that passeth heer forby;

[20:39] <DWROB> 669: And looke that thou reporte his name weel.

[20:39] <DWROB> 670: sire, quod this boy, it nedeth never-a-deel;

[20:39] <mu> drunk on greed

[20:39] <DWROB> 671: It was me toold er ye cam heer two houres.

[20:39] <DWROB> 672: He was, pardee, an old felawe of youres;

[20:39] <DWROB> 673: And sodeynly he was yslayn to-nyght,

[20:39] <DWROB> 674: Fordronke, as he sat on his bench upright.

[20:39] <DWROB> 675: Ther can a privee theef men clepeth deeth,

[20:39] <DWROB> 676: That in this contree al the peple sleth,

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[20:39] <vav> foreshadowing with the tolling of the death bell

[20:39] <DWROB>

[20:39] <sigma> they all made dumb mistakes

[20:39] <DWROB>

[20:39] <DWROB> cors == corpse

[20:39] <chi> well in the end they were going to get drunk

[20:40] <DWROB> This guy was drinking all night, like the rioters, and then he fell over dead

[20:40] <DWROB> corpse

[20:40] <mu> got too drunk?

[20:40] <pi> his gluttony killed him

[20:40] <DWROB> they take offense at this (of course they are in the same condition)

[20:40] <epsilon> he drank to much

[20:40] <vav> The death toll foreshadowed their eventual deaths

[20:40] <pi> and their greed killed them

[20:40] <he> deadly sin

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[20:40] <DWROB> 696: Herkneth, felawes, we thre been al ones;

[20:40] <DWROB> 697: Lat ech of us holde up his hand til oother,

[20:40] <DWROB> 698: And ech of us bicomen otheres brother.

[20:40] <eta> sinning killed all of them

[20:40] <DWROB> 699: And we wol sleen this false traytour deeth.

[20:41] <DWROB> 700: He shal be slayn, he that so manye sleeth,

[20:41] <DWROB> 701: By goddes dignitee, er it be nyght!

[20:41] <DWROB> 702: togidres han thise thre hir trouthes plight

[20:41] <DWROB> 703: To lyve and dyen ech of hem for oother,

[20:41] <DWROB> 704: As though he were his owene ybore brother.

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[20:41] <DWROB> they make a pact -- to do what?

[20:41] <vav> Yet they all kill each other.

[20:41] <bet> kill death

[20:41] <DWROB> true!

[20:41] <beta> have each other's back

[20:41] <pi> avenge his death by killing his murderer

[20:41] <aleph> to protect each other like brothers

[20:41] <rho> death had the last laugh

[20:41] <vav> Slay death

[20:41] <gamma> avenge death

[20:41] <dalet> to kill death

[20:41] <he> brothers to the end

[20:41] <dalet> Death

[20:41] <DWROB> yes, they swear to be like brothers

[20:41] <epsilon> to kill for each other like they are brothers

[20:41] <delta> to kill

[20:41] <phi> kill death

[20:41] <kappa> to kill death

[20:41] <vav> "Love thy brother as thy self" Yeah, right.

[20:42] <DWROB> They are very emphatic and enthusiastic about this, but remember -- they are drunk!

[20:42] <pi> that always seems to help enthusiasm

[20:42] <beta> brother's have done some crazy things to each other in literature

[20:42] <chi> i wouldn't kill my brother

[20:42] <vav> 10 ft tall and bullet proof

[20:42] <sigma> more emotional than usual and more attached

[20:42] <DWROB> thy go hunting for death and finds the old man ... .

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[20:42] <DWROB> 751: Seyde this oother hasardour anon;

[20:42] <DWROB> 752: Thou partest nat so lightly, by seint john!

[20:42] <DWROB> 753: Thou spak right now of thilke traytour deeth,

[20:42] <DWROB> 754: That in this contree alle oure freendes sleeth.

[20:42] <gamma> they are fools of their own ways

[20:42] <DWROB> 755: Have heer my trouthe, as thou art his espye,

[20:42] <DWROB> 756: Telle where he is, or thou shalt it abye,

[20:42] <DWROB> 757: By god, and by the hooly sacrement!

[20:42] <DWROB> 758: For soothly thou art oon of his assent

[20:42] <DWROB> 759: To sleen us yonge folk, thou false theef!

[20:43] <DWROB> 760: now, sires, quod he, if that yow be so leef

[20:43] <DWROB> 761: To fynde deeth, turne up this croked wey,

[20:43] <DWROB> 762: For in that grove I lafte hym, by my fey,

[20:43] <DWROB> 763: Under a tree, and there he wole abyde;

[20:43] <DWROB> 764: Noght for you're boost he wole him no thyng hyde.

[20:43] <DWROB> 765: Se ye that ook? right there ye shal hym fynde.

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[20:43] <DWROB> They threaten him, and what does the old man tell them?

[20:43] <pi> they accuse the old man of being in cahoots with Death so he shows them where they can find it

[20:43] <DWROB> exactly

[20:43] <beta> where to find death

[20:43] <pi> Death is under that tree, and it was

[20:43] <eta> told them exactly where they would find death

[20:43] <bet> look under a tree

[20:43] <DWROB> right, thanks a lot!

[20:43] <aleph> they should have respect for older people

[20:43] <dalet> they can find Death under a tree

[20:43] <DWROB> heh -- true

[20:43] <kappa> go find death

[20:43] <epsilon> where to find death

[20:43] <vav> They look for Death. And sure enough, they find it ... . in the end. The man says look by the tree. There's treasure by the tree.

[20:43] <sigma> how does the Hoste set the Pardoner up? By tricking him into telling the dirty joke, when the people at the Inn would rather have heard something about morals?

[20:43] <DWROB> To fynde deeth, turne up this croked wey == ?

[20:44] <vav> Of course, they kill each other over the treasure.

[20:44] <gamma> what idiot wants to search for death

[20:44] <rho> how stupid are they?

[20:44] <aleph> greed leads to death

[20:44] <DWROB> gamma: these idiots

[20:44] <lambda> drunk ones

[20:44] <beta> to find death, go down this crooked road

[20:44] <vav> Crooked way ... sinful way

[20:44] <sigma> and that is what they actually found under the tree, instead of true treasure

[20:44] <DWROB> what' that alluding to?

[20:44] <vav> Crooked way ... sinful way

[20:44] <beta> their demise

[20:44] <DWROB> right -- crooked, not straight and narrow

[20:44] <he> death is the sinful way of life

[20:44] <bet> sin the path

[20:44] <delta> sinfulness

[20:44] <DWROB> they should have paid attention in church

[20:44] <gamma> greed blinded them

[20:44] <beta> sinful path

[20:44] <rho> clouded judgment

[20:44] <aleph> they are going to their death

[20:45] <epsilon> sin will lead them to death

[20:45] <beta> of course it was clouded, they were drunk

[20:45] <eta> going down the bad path

[20:45] <DWROB> sigma: I'm not sure what you are asking --

[20:45] <sigma> the way to sin can also be the way to death because they are down the same path eventually

[20:45] <DWROB> the Host asks for a happier tale, yes, than the one before

[20:45] <chi> they are drunk and cant catch on to the subtly adjectives used

[20:45] <dalet> they must have been drinking very strong liquor

[20:45] <DWROB> OK, The outcome is pretty straightforward

[20:45] <vav> It isn't much happier, but it is didactic.

[20:45] <zayin> they all die

[20:46] <DWROB> the "brothers" all succumb to greed and betray and kill each other at the first opportunity

[20:46] <he> not happy but true

[20:46] <zayin> out of greed

[20:46] <beta> brother's have done some crazy things to each other in literature

[20:46] <epsilon> yes, greed

[20:46] <sigma> What does the Hoste propose to do to the Pardoner?

[20:46] <gamma> morons

[20:46] <DWROB> And the Pardoner concludes his tale with a moral and with a sales pitch ... .

[20:46] <beta> especially for being greedy

[20:46] <dalet> castrate him

[20:46] <mu> did the two oldest betray each other?

[20:46] <psi> they were mad at death and then they tried to kill each other

[20:46] <DWROB>

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[20:46] <DWROB> 93: Thus ended been thise homycides two,

[20:46] <DWROB> 894: And eek the false empoysonere also.

[20:46] <DWROB> 895: o cursed synne of alle cursednesse!

[20:46] <pi> yeah "give me your money and ill pardon you of your sin"

[20:46] <DWROB> 896: O traytours homycide, o wikkednesse!

[20:46] <DWROB> 897: O glotonye, luxurie, and hasardrye!

[20:46] <zayin> he tries to trick the people he has just admitted his truths too

[20:46] <DWROB> 898: Thou blasphemour of crist with vileynye

[20:46] <chi> make his genitals into a relic

[20:46] <DWROB> 899: And othes grete, of usage and of pride!

[20:46] <vav> And you shall kiss the relics.. and unbuckle your purse.

[20:47] <DWROB> 900: Allas! mankynde, how may it bitide

[20:47] <vav> Oops. I was too slow.

[20:47] <rho> he sales them pardons for their sins

[20:47] <DWROB> 901: That to thy creatour, which that the wroghte,

[20:47] <DWROB> 902: And with his precious herte-blood thee boghte,

[20:47] <DWROB> 903: Thou art so fals and so unkynde, allas?

[20:47] <DWROB> 904: now goode men, God foryeve yow you're trespas,

[20:47] <DWROB> 905: And ware yow fro the synne of avarice!

[20:47] <DWROB> 906: Myn hooly pardoun may yow alle warice,

[20:47] <DWROB> 907: So that ye offre nobles or sterlynges,

[20:47] <DWROB> 908: Or elles silver broches, spoones, rynges.

[20:47] <DWROB> 909: Boweth you're heed under this hooly bulle!

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[20:47] <DWROB> So what's strange about this?

[20:47] <vav> Boweth your head ... . VERY vain.

[20:47] <pi> it totally contradicts the story he just told

[20:47] <DWROB> well, he's a preacher

[20:47] <delta> and unbuckle your purses

[20:47] <beta> *cain and able, Jacob and his brothers*

[20:47] <aleph> they are to now receive pardon from him for their sins

[20:48] <rho> he sales them pardons for their sins

[20:48] <eta> he is pretty much asking them to worship him.

[20:48] <DWROB> Right, but he always tells his listeners to unbuckle their purses

[20:48] <dalet> offering time!

[20:48] <DWROB> yes

[20:48] <lambda> get ready to pay

[20:48] <he> always

[20:48] <DWROB> but the problem is ... ?

[20:48] <rho> he pretends to be on a higher level

[20:48] <beta> money first, then pardon

[20:48] <zayin> give me money for my story

[20:48] <delta> he is acting like God

[20:48] <aleph> everyone knows his game

[20:48] <vav> He already admits that he commits the sin he preaches against.,

[20:48] <DWROB> no, no

[20:48] <DWROB> right!

[20:48] <pi> everyone sees through everything he says

[20:48] <epsilon> he wants the money

[20:48] <bet> hes saying everything is fake

[20:48] <DWROB> he has given his secrets away to these people

[20:48] <vav> That he preaches fir money but he still asks for it at the end.

[20:48] <mu> how he makes his living

[20:48] <DWROB> So why does he hit them with h pitch now?

[20:48] <rho> for money

[20:48] <zayin> and he still tries to get their money

[20:48] <pi> cause hes drunk

[20:49] <lambda> now they know he is a phony they have no reason to follow him

[20:49] <aleph> because he's drunk

[20:49] <DWROB> Is he crazy or what?

[20:49] <delta> yes

[20:49] <DWROB> drunk, OK, maybe

[20:49] <beta> yep

[20:49] <epsilon> because he still wants the money

[20:49] <vav> Maybe they're all drunk by now.

[20:49] <mu> yep

[20:49] <DWROB> maybe

[20:49] <bet> both

[20:49] <he> drunk crazy and stupid

[20:49] <pi> stupid vain and prideful

[20:49] <eta> yes

[20:49] <gamma> he is drunk and shows his true intentions

[20:49] <dalet> drunk and crazy

[20:49] <phi> very

[20:49] <vav> They are in a tavern after all ...

[20:49] <sigma> maybe he felt that it was the right time

[20:49] <DWROB> prideful -- good -- maybe he thinks he is so good this will work

[20:49] <epsilon> everyone's drunk

[20:49] <bet> hes still persuading

[20:49] <vav> probably drinking as he tells his tale

[20:49] <beta> arrogant!

[20:49] <zayin> greedy

[20:49] <pi> he has such vanity that he still believes these people are stupider then he is

[20:49] <sigma> that maybe he could still get away with it because the others were so wasted

[20:49] <DWROB> maybe he gets carried away and forgets

[20:49] <chi> oh man

[20:49] <vav> He's long-winded enough for them to be drunk by the end!

[20:49] <beta> there are plenty of adjectives to describe this guy

[20:49] <dalet> he is so arrogant he thinks he still can get away with it

[20:50] <DWROB> yes

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[20:50] <vav> Maybe that, too.

[20:50] <psi> he does

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[20:50] <vav> Very preacher-like.

[20:50] <delta> arrogant yes

[20:50] <DWROB> The host takes offense, of course.

[20:50] <beta> he sure does

[20:50] <DWROB> what does the Host suggest?

[20:50] <rho> he is a fraud

[20:50] <sigma> so drunk that he feels like he is sharing dirty secrets with his pals

[20:50] <beta> to cut off his balls

[20:50] <chi> well maybe someone wasn't listening in the beginning

[20:50] <zayin> yes he thinks this guy is an idiot

[20:50] <vav> To cut off his balls.

[20:50] <pi> cutting off his balls and wrapping them in pig crap

[20:50] <dalet> to castrate him

[20:50] <DWROB> why that?

[20:50] <vav> and feed them to a hog

[20:50] <aleph> the make his balls into relics

[20:50] <dalet> and make a show of his testicles

[20:50] <chi> make his genitals into a relic

[20:50] <sigma> to tell a joke

[20:50] <eta> that his stuff is worthless and he would much rather have his balls

[20:50] <DWROB> hmmm

[20:50] <psi> a relic

[20:50] <DWROB> you are forgetting something

[20:51] <chi> he's a eunuch

[20:51] <he> so he cannot procreate

[20:51] <kappa> he is accused of homo

[20:51] <vav> Chaucer's description of him as possibly a eunuch

[20:51] <pi> hes already a eunuch

[20:51] <DWROB> right

[20:51] <pi> or gay

[20:51] <aleph> his relics are useless and so are other things he has

[20:51] <omega> he was angry at his decision not to listen to the type of story to tell

[20:51] <chi> he's vain

[20:51] <DWROB> so getting the Pardoner's balls would truly be a miracle

[20:51] <pi> haha

[20:51] <zayin> ha ha

[20:51] <omega> he told the opposite type of story

[20:51] <DWROB> unlike the stuff attributed to his fake relics

[20:51] <dalet> ha ha

[20:51] <delta> ha ha

[20:51] <eta> ahh good stuff

[20:51] <aleph> so he is a eunuch

[20:51] <gamma> sucks for him

[20:51] <DWROB> that's the joke

[20:51] <vav> Yes ... better than the relics!

[20:51] <rho> nothing to lose

[20:51] <aleph> I missed that one

[20:51] <eta> making fun of him

[20:51] <bet> hah

[20:51] <beta> oh ok

[20:51] <dalet> no balls anyway

[20:51] <he> kinda saying his balls are fake

[20:51] <sigma> it would do no good to propose this action

[20:51] <he> hehe

[20:51] <omega> he had none

[20:51] <DWROB> exactly

[20:51] <zayin> so the story does end funny

[20:52] <DWROB> yes, with help from the Host

[20:52] <dalet> not a nice joke when u tell a man he has no balls

[20:52] <DWROB> then they all kiss and make up and go down the road

[20:52] <pi> if he actually has balls, that would be more miraculous then any of the crappy relics he has

[20:52] <chi> ha

[20:52] <chi> he has no balls like a gelding

[20:52] <beta> maybe the host is in cahoots with the pardoner

[20:52] <sigma> he's neutered

[20:52] <DWROB> pi: right

[20:52] <DWROB> The question of why he tries to con the company has been raging for 600 years

[20:53] <DWROB> So I won't try to answer it further

[20:53] <DWROB> We are done.

[20:53] <he> it wasn't just for money

[20:53] <he> well never mind

[20:53] <he> that

[20:53] <he> cya

[20:53] <DWROB> it was for sin!

[20:53] <pi> sweet

[20:53] <dalet> it's in him to naturally do it

[20:53] <bet> ok

[20:53] <zayin> goodnight

[20:53] <chi> great

[20:53] <dalet> he can't help himself

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[20:53] <DWROB> yes, it is a sign of his corruption

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[20:53] <pi> later biatches

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[20:54] <beta> dr. rob

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[20:54] <DWROB> yes?

[20:54] <beta> sorry I was late - I was at a funeral

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[20:54] <beta> did I miss any announcements

[20:54] <DWROB> not to worry

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[20:54] <DWROB> no, nothing new

[20:54] <beta> ok thanks

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[20:54] <DWROB> we are on track for Montaigne next week

[20:54] <eta> at the beginning of class, i was somehow signed on as "anon####"

[20:54] <DWROB> I see you fixed it

[20:55] <eta> i don't know how it happened though

[20:55] <eta> oh well

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[20:55] <DWROB> Me either -- network glitch, I would guess

[20:55] <DWROB> It couldn't be a bug in my software ... .

[20:56] <eta> well alright ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .bye for now

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[20:56] <DWROB> later

[20:56] <DWROB> !poof!

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